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Thursday, June 25, 2009

Shame and Guilt, Honor and...Glory

 

As some of you who have read this blog for a while might know, I tend to make posts concerning the topic of heroes from time to time. There is one aspect of this subject which I have treated often in personal conversations, but I've never managed to write it down here before. It connects well with a couple of my early posts about heroes (http://dannwigner.xanga.com/583275351/heroes/ and http://dannwigner.xanga.com/587807034/emerging-perspectives-individualism-vs-the-community/).

You've probably heard something before about how Eastern cultures tend to be "honor and shame" cultures, and this type of culture is generally contrasted with the West as a "guilt" culture. It has always bothered me that Western cultures are quantified as "guilt" cultures -- that's leaving out the positive side of things. Western cultures are "GLORY and guilt" cultures, which is a very important contrast to "honor and shame," and these differences play out significantly in both the concepts of heroes and the place of the individual vs. the community.

Now, before I go any further, I freely admit that I'm generalizing, and if you think that I'm generalizing too much or inaccurately -- well, that's why there are comments : )

Specifically, the West has historically set a high value on individual accomplishment. As a result, praise for a job well done is philosophically embedded in our culture in order to promote this end. So, it is hard-wired into the Western mind that one should strive to do great things, and he or she will be rewarded for those things (or at least praise those who accomplish great things). Now, the flipside of the glory of individual accomplishment is that each person is solely responsible for his or her mistakes. The focus within Western Christianity on one's personal sin is in part a result of this mindset.

Now, this way of thinking is in many ways entirely opposite from the East -- in the Western mind, you want to stand out and do great things -- so that your family, friends, country, etc. may be enhanced in reputation as a result, while in the Eastern mind, you do not want to stand out in any way that would dishonor your family, etc.

The West's focus on glory is very evident in how we portray our heroes. Our heroes are not always entirely virtuous or saintly -- but they always accomplish great things. In many ways, biblical heroes mirror this Western trait (as the Near East straddles the two broad viewpoints) -- Abraham, Moses, David, Paul, etc. -- they commit grievous sins, but they also accomplish astounding feats.

If you made it thus far, you're probably saying..."Okay, but so what?" Well, it is my contention that we are losing the Western perspective -- we're cheapening it in these postmodern times. "How?", you may ask. Well, it actually begins with Christianity.

When Christianity enters the West, we figured out that maybe the best thing in the world was not our own glory, but the glory of God. Now, that's the right perspective, but it caused a problem for us. Many interpreted this move to mean that glory was somehow "bad." Rightly interpreted, the "glory" for our accomplishments does not go to us, it goes to God, but this concept has been subtly misunderstood that glory was something to avoid -- something that only vain people seek. So, when glory ceases to be a motivating factor, the next move is to saying, "Well, why do I need to accomplish anything anyway?" This subtle trend has begun to move the West away from being a "glory and guilt" culture to what I like to call a "fame and apathy" culture. The unequivocal good in the West today is to be "known," but it doesn't matter what you are known for -- in fact, we idolize celebrities that often make very paltry contributions to larger society. We've become a society that entertains itself, concerning itself, and then idolizes the people who entertain and idolize themselves the best. In a way, we've become much more vain than those who were worried about glory being a sin. As a result of the devaluing of achievement, we become apathetic -- we simply don't care anymore.

So, how does this all relate to heroes? It's pretty hard to be a hero when you're too self-involved to care about anyone or anything else.

What do you think?  Where do we go from here?

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This is a good post. I think that the glory and guilt of our until recent history shows a division in our spiritual psyche. Christ, the greatest hero of all, breaking into a world of sin and death and battling Satan for our souls, going even into the grave and then resurrecting again---that's the stuff that every good action movie is made of.


But, this is a subliminal pattern in our spiritual lives. It hearkens back to a theology that was all but lost in the medieval ages. The more conscious pattern we follow is the guilt/innocence pattern. This is from the idea that our salvation is a legal arrangement where our sentence of death is imputed to someone else and His judgment of innocent is imputed to us. This is where the guilt comes from.


I think the older view of salvation, the one where the great Hero comes and binds our captor, and then we as His disciples go on to storm the gates of hell is the more primal, and probably truer one. But we are puritans after all, and can't escape the shade of the guilt/innocence story.


So, we are divided. Heroes and guilt. Together.

Posted 6/27/2009 8:13 AM by MrsDarcy_MrsDarcy_MrsDarcy Xanga Premium Member - reply

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Hmmm, interesting. I was about to disagree with you on the "we are losing the Western perspective" until I read your explanation. We are still a very individual-centered culture (and I don't see that as better or worse than the collective-centered culture, at this point), but as for loving fame more than glory, you're probably dead-on. Or maybe it's a broader idol, pleasure, that this culture loves, be it fame (including gossiping about celebrities), entertainment, or other indulgences.


This may seem like a silly example, but somehow I thought of the movie What a Girl Wants--in the end, the girl's father decides not to follow in the "glorious line" of his fathers who served their country in various ways (he was running for Prime Minister of England), and instead "be himself" and reconnect with his daughter and her mother. Normally, I'm all for the family theme, but it disturbed me a little that the movie disparaged self-sacrifice for one's country, or any general good. I guess that message can be individualism taken too far--when it's personal gratification, and not "great things," as you put it, that the individual is striving for.


I guess another thing to consider--were the Bible heroes really striving for "great things"? Moses, for instance, didn't want to be the one to deliver the people. Does the that mindset of glory vs. honor really make a difference, or is it just obedience to God, regardless of the mindset, that brings about glory?

Posted 6/30/2009 12:23 PM by BaptistDancer - reply

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Just to harass you (you should've read the crap that is Final Crisis by now, since I've sent it to you via Chris *evil grin*), but here's the Golden-age Superman and how he works now. I do believe Marvel is doing a little better right now ;)
Posted 7/17/2009 2:27 PM by canicus - reply


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